This is the argument.
Aaron Francesco Lamacchia no one is saying that you cannot say merry christmas. The issue is that our government is secular, and christmas is a christian holiday. And our government is taking the right and reasonable choice of taking it away from our public institutions as our public institutions are atheist, and should not favor one religion over another. If we have christmas holidays in school, then we should have ramadan holidays in school as one is just as reasonable as the other. Celebrate and worship whatever you want, just stay the fuck out of my government.
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Aaron Francesco Lamacchia And this whole idea that if you "hate our customs then leave," is racist, bigoted and a shelter for small minded moronic cunts. You know what other countries think like that, Iran, North Korea, China, and Nazi Germany. We are Canadians, we are making a country work that has dozens of ethnicities, religions, and languages. All of our relatives are immigrants, whether you came over from Asia during the last ice age, or a wooden ship in the 1500's. And as Canadians we should be able to make the hard and noble choice to accept other cultures and make it easier for immigrants to be feel accepted in a new land. Only a few countries around the world are able to do this, instead of lamenting our accepting and accomadating culture, maybe be proud of it, as we are one of the few with the balls to do it. So Happy Holidays you morons.
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Ali C Aaron, you're my fucking hero. Just sayin'
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Taylor Kyle Calderwood Well this status is getting more attention then I usually get I should do reposts more often :P
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Ali C *facepalm* Boy, you were born stupid and you've been losing ground ever since.
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Lindsay Arlene Lena Epp-Nichols Mine got a lot of attention too haha and now everyone thinks I'm an angry person :/
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Ali C Well, either an angry person or a racist bigot, take your pick.
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Lindsay Arlene Lena Epp-Nichols Um, Angry person. Haha. Though overall I prefer 'Rightfully opinionated
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Ali C Yeah, Racist it is.
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Thomas Irwin actually.. most of those country's would just kill you if you hated their customs. Asking them to leave is much more progressive. realistically we're canadian. We'll bitch and whine and cry about it, but when it comes right down to it we won't force you to do anything. In fact. We'll probably make a law that gives you the right to do whatever we dislike you doing. But thats cool because we'd rather accomodate the latest and greatest Sociological fad instead of sticking to our guns because its more PC. We're not an accomodating culture. We're a Politically correct Fad waiting to happen.
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Lindsay Arlene Lena Epp-Nichols ohhh name calling online, how big of you, random person I have never met, who knows very, very little about me. You see me as racist because I believe people should be able to imply what they believe or celebrate at any place at any time. Because I dream of a world where people can say "Merry Christmas", "Happy Hanukkah", "Happy Kwanzaa" or whatever the fuck. I dislike the idea of people forcing their religion down other peoples throats or constantly voicing it, but saying "Merry Christmas"? Big fucking deal.
I have more atheist friends than I can count that set up a Christmas tree (which was invented by PAGAN's BTW), give and receive gifts and say "Merry Christmas". It isn't a big deal and shouldn't be treated as one. Christmas is no longer, and never really was, exclusive to Christians.
The World should be working on tolerance and acceptance, instead of working so hard to please those who won't tolerate and won't accept.
Everyone should be able to show who they are. Wherever.
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Ali C Sorry, couldnt hear you, try taking your klan hood off before speaking.
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Lindsay Arlene Lena Epp-Nichols Actually, you probably can't hear me, cause I'm typing to you. 'Reading' is the idea here.
Aaron Francesco Lamacchia Again no one is taking away your right to your traditions and customs, or your right to say merry Christmas. The issue is with the government support of religious holidays. Of our 10 stat holidays, 3 are Christian, Easter Monday, Good Friday, and Christmas. We have zero stat holidays for any other religion.
In Canada, religion and state are two separate entities, the government should not be allowed to support any religion. And when the government, say...puts up a giant Christmas tree in the middle of town with tax payer money, that's support. Essentially what is happening is the government is forcing everyone who does not believe in that particular brand of bullshit to help foot the bill for your celebration. Which is not right, just to clarify.
Say merry Christmas to everyone, no one cares and no one will stop you. Call it a Christmas tree, who gives a crap. But do not think that you are any one else has the right to force your holidays on our government.
And lindsay, you state that you dream of a world of tolerance, yet you post something that specifically says, "Well.... If you don't like our "Customs" and it offends you so much, then LEAVE.... I will help you pack." That's hardly tolerating and accepting someone. Someone who simply doesn't want to use his money to support your religious holidays.
Christmas trees were not pagan, they were a German tradition and Germans were Christian. And Christmas is a christian holiday, and was very exclusive to Christians. Only recently has it been watered down to a consumer holiday, celebrated by the majority.
And Thomas my response to you was in 2003 Rajinder Atwal was convicted and given a life sentence for killing his 17 year old daughter because she was dating a friend. Its called an honor killing, and its widely practiced in pakistan, and to a much lesser extent India. Last time I checked there is no Canadian law allowing honor killing on Canadian soil. The supreme court just upheld a ban on polygamy, specifically under-age and forced marriage, which is common in fundamental Mormonism, and in India Islamic men are allowed multiple wives. So i would hardly say we pass laws to protect the shit we hate.
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Lindsay Arlene Lena Epp-Nichols You have your opinion, I have mine. Let's agree to disagree and stop spamming Taylor's status.
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Lindsay Arlene Lena Epp-Nichols One thing though. I Do agree that "Well.... If you don't like our "Customs" and it offends you so much, then LEAVE.... I will help you pack." is offensive. People can like or dislike whatever they want. That part I regret not cutting out of mine. It's hateful and not right.
Gotta say, the Germans historically have been pagan, and in a sociological timeline, have only become christian very, very recently. I'm not incredibly interested in mediterrainian botany, but I'm pretty sure the middle east (where Christianity arose), or the italian penisual (i.e. Rome and such) have native fir or pine trees, unlike the forests of Germania.
ReplyDeleteYou might be a "rascist bigot" (welcome to the club), but you're very much right and more intelligent than any of your opposing arguers.
Though I do agree the government is pretty secular, but so is every other government everywhere. It's part of what gives us our culture (which, let's face it, is non-existant in Canada since we don't force anyone to assimilate), and, historically speaking, has virtually no effect on our national policies.
ReplyDeleteWe don't bomb Iraq because they're muslim, we do it because the Americans tell us to. It's not like it's 1100, and we all have to jump when the Pope says so.